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Gene  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:08:56 PM(UTC)
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Hi Marianne,

Most likely the problem is a bad control panel. The chance for the control board to be bad is very small. You can try to perform the troubleshooting as described in the attached tech sheet but it's better to order the new control panel and give it a try. You always can return it if it was ordered from APP. If you need the correct part number, post the color of the control panel.

Here are the breakdown diagrams and Parts for Whirlpool KUDP02FRSS0 Dishwasher - AppliancePartsPros.com

Gene.
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vamarianne  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:23:16 PM(UTC)
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Hi Gene,
Thanks for fast reply. If you feel most likely it is the control panel, I will order that part. My control panel is stainless. Is this straightforward to replace or I need to call a tech?

thanks Marianne
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:33:43 PM(UTC)
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I have an Electrolux Dishwasher EIDW6105GB1 with a similar problem. All lights flash after initial fill (washer drains at this point without cycling) Have leveled machine, checked flow thru drain hose, etc. washer pump error light illuminates but motor pumps out the machine just fine. Is this a similar issue with a twitchy control board, or perhaps a faulty sensor or genuinely the motor? Machine is less than two years old and is run once or twice a week.It is not abused as it is just my wife and I. Thanks for your input.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:48:29 PM(UTC)
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Hi Michael,

There are no any resets in such situation. If these lights are flashing then the new console most likely is the only solution. Try to follow the instructions posted by jgiza25 on 8/17/2008.

Gene.


Hi Gene,
Well, the lights were not flashing. They were on solid (2 hr delay light - then on keypress, the child-lock light solid).
I took the console off, and tested with an ohmmeter. As you say, tech sheets from one model can't always be used by another. Unfortunatly, the tech sheets for my model don't have a full test procedures for the console/keypad. I was able to map out most everything, but there are some things about this console that are strange, because there are more lamps and switches than can be addressed by the interface lines.

After all the tests, I ended up connecting the panel back, and initially it looked like the same problem. It sat for a few days, then I came back to look at it some more, hit the 'anti-bacterial wash' button, and the unit cycled like it was in diagnostic mode. I cycled through all the steps, and after that the dishwasher was working normally!

After a few more weeks of normal operation, it locked up again. I suspect it's because I use the 'energy saver' settings, and had someone open the washer before the cycle finished when it was still in the air dry mode.

I'm suspicious that the real issue is not a hard failure in the panel, but some combination of panel and control that puts the machine in some strange state when interrupted.

Have pulled the console again. And am letting things 'sit' again.
Any ideas?
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#25 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:51:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vamarianne Go to Quoted Post
Hi Gene,
Thanks for fast reply. If you feel most likely it is the control panel, I will order that part. My control panel is stainless. Is this straightforward to replace or I need to call a tech?

thanks Marianne


Hi Marianne,

The stainless steel control panel Part number: 8572500
Part number: 8572500



This part is not too difficult to replace if you know how to handle a simple tools. The attached file will give you some ideas.

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Gene  
#26 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:19:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MikeBY Go to Quoted Post
Hi Gene,
Well, the lights were not flashing. They were on solid (2 hr delay light - then on keypress, the child-lock light solid).
I took the console off, and tested with an ohmmeter. As you say, tech sheets from one model can't always be used by another. Unfortunatly, the tech sheets for my model don't have a full test procedures for the console/keypad. I was able to map out most everything, but there are some things about this console that are strange, because there are more lamps and switches than can be addressed by the interface lines.

After all the tests, I ended up connecting the panel back, and initially it looked like the same problem. It sat for a few days, then I came back to look at it some more, hit the 'anti-bacterial wash' button, and the unit cycled like it was in diagnostic mode. I cycled through all the steps, and after that the dishwasher was working normally!

After a few more weeks of normal operation, it locked up again. I suspect it's because I use the 'energy saver' settings, and had someone open the washer before the cycle finished when it was still in the air dry mode.

I'm suspicious that the real issue is not a hard failure in the panel, but some combination of panel and control that puts the machine in some strange state when interrupted.

Have pulled the console again. And am letting things 'sit' again.
Any ideas?


Hi Michael,

This situation does not look like a regular because the lights are steady instead of blinking.

I understand that you don't like to invest such money in this machine (who would?:)) and are trying to find a least expensive solution. In my opinion there are: 85% chance for the control panel, 14% chance for the control board and 1% chance for both of them to be bad.

Keeping in mind that you can return any part ordered from APP within 365 days, you may want to order these parts and give then a try (console first).

- The console Part number: 9744120
Part number: 9744120



- The control board Part number: 8530929
Part number: 8530929

Gene.
Gene  
#27 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:10:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: granitecoast Go to Quoted Post
...washer pump error light illuminates but motor pumps out the machine just fine...


There are 2 pumps in the dishwasher: drain pump and wash pump. Per your description looks like the wash pump does not work properly. Check if there is 120 VAC to the pump motor while the control calls for wash. If the reading is correct, replace the pump & motor assembly.

- The pump and motor assembly Part number: 154614002
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#28 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:03:36 PM(UTC)
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Hi Gene, thanks so much for replying, it gave me the confidence to tear into this project. I've removed the motor and when I apply 120 V to the proper leads it runs fine. What should I look at next?
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#29 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 2:26:29 PM(UTC)
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Sounds like the problem is a bad control board (#4 at the diagram).

- The control board Part number: 154750502
Part number: 154750502

Gene.
vamarianne  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:41:08 AM(UTC)
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Gene,
The other thing I forgot to mention, is that the top of the dishwasher is also not cleaning as well as it used to (glasses cloudy with film etc) even though I use the Heavy Duty/Heated Dry setting. What should I check first? Thanks again.

Marianne
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